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Submitted by rahulfernandes Location: Pune (Maharashtra, India)

How is the massage scene in Pune?

Share your experiences along with name address and contacts of Massage Parlours that provide good services.

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sgpune
Posted On Dec 31, 2020

Muppra Baner - Awesome massage. Two dusky twinks. Both were interested in hanky Panky, but the receptionist was knocking on the door every 15 minutes. I was pretty much naked for the back side massage.

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Guideme
Posted On Dec 31, 2020

@sgpune : don't be under assumption. As far as I know, every ayurvedic massage they remove the langot from back (naked butt) to massage. But not from front. Ha ha ha...

By the way, its annoying to get disturbed once in every 15 minutes. Did you complain on disturbance of the service?

Provide more insight how you judged when you say "Both were interested in hanky Panky"

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sgpune
Posted On Dec 31, 2020

Guideme, u just know. Especially when touch their thighs with yours and hold hands and almost embrace you while massaging. In my experience, not every masseur will do that. Many will keep distance and stay away from sensitive areas

There has to be a certain level of attraction between the massuer and customer. Then only this happens.

The lady was knocking, because she suspected what would happen. The room given was also right next to the reception.

I have gone there two years back. It was called Kerela ayurveda and that time the massage was only a massage.

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radiaint
Posted On Dec 31, 2020

i went mu**ra almost 4-5 times, 2 times in last two months but in my experience its pure ayurvedic massage nothing more n second thing no one disturbed my massage for single time..

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Guideme
Posted On Dec 31, 2020

sgpune : that could be possible. But think from massager point of view. Day in day out they keep doing massages to several customers and for them get their thighs touched or barely touched their private parts - for them it is considered as accidental touch... if they are new massager - am sure they keep precautions to maintain distance but not the experienced ones... what you expressed could be true because you were in the situation, but my experience from all the ayurvedic massager from chennai, hyderabad, bangalore and pune is common, they dont encourage these things, but they consider as accidental touch.

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sgpune
Posted On Jan 1, 2021

Guideme, I had fun. That's all that matters to me. If it's accidental touch for you, then good for you.

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Blueberrybob
Posted On Jan 1, 2021

I visited FFS ni*di a year ago, massager name was starts from J...
(Now he is not there). He has great massage techniques, 1st time he was not into that much mood, but next he called me to visit again then the story starts, I was on massage table wearing disposal, he come to massage room, started directly from my d**k, even I insist him for off hisclothes and we had great fun😍after that 20 min massage makes my day, I have many experiences,will share with you soon.

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Rohit95_bhatia
Posted On Jan 1, 2021

There is a Ayurvedic clinic in Kondhwa.
Above Archie's...
First floor...
A lady doctor is there...
She has a male therapist..Take an appointment..
Go for a 2 or 3 day massage therapy..
That guy is too good....
He doesn't charge anything..
The cost of massage is 800..


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Jibzy
Posted On Jan 2, 2021

Tried Antarnad few days back..met V*d there ...above avg. Little feminine down to earth Guy..s**ks nicely but massage was not so good.


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Rohit95_bhatia
Posted On Jan 2, 2021

Had taken an appointment for normal massage...
Had no intention of anything nor was I expecting anything from the masseur as it was for the 1st time.
Got an appointment in the evening at 7. The doctor leaves by 7.30
Starts with Normal strokes... Then starts seducing..Gives good touch upto crack n inside...Will delebratley play around the private parts...The he will ask u if he can touch n ***...gives amazing blowjob...
Try it... can't describe more...
I forgot the name of the clinic...But it's exactly opposite Bramha majestic, 1st floor Above Archie's....
You will have to go through normal doctor proces..direct contact with him is impossible as it's a reputed clinic

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CrazyCruiser
Posted On Jan 2, 2021

Had gone to Ap*le Salon, Baner a couple of weeks ago, and taken massage from Mah*sh. First of all, the salon looks like a run-down place struggling to stay operational. The masseur and his attitude was the worst part about the entire experience, even the horrible massage was second to it. Right from the moment he ushered me into the room, his barrage of personal unsolicited questions started. This is a typical trait of rural Pune people: ask invasively private questions with gay abandon. " Who told you about this salon, how did you come to know about it?" Dude, this is a well-known brand, you have dime a dozen branches even in tier 2 cities, wtf dyu mean by who told me about the salon. Then he excused himself and stepped out for 2 minutes, I dunno for what, then asked me to change into disposables, then again stepped out for 5 minutes, while I lay on the bed, when he came back, he was like '5 minute mein start karte hai' and just pottered around the room doing absolutely nothing, while I still lay awkwardly, almost naked, on the *** bed. While starting the massage he passed some really unnecessary, unsolicited comments about my body. Now I'm a gym-going, toned guy, I know my body because I've been working on it for years, I really didn't need a anatomical analysis from a massage-wala who couldn't even crack my knuckles. Through the rest of the massage as well, more questions ensued: Where are you from? Where in Pune do you live? What do you work as? Which company do you work for? I was so annoyed with these faltu questions, the entire mood was spoiled after right at the begining.
Both of us checked the time and confirmed it before beginning the massage. And the entire massage - front and back - finished in 20 minutes. Well, if you could call it massage: random pressing around the body, no pressure techniques and such shittery. I find it extremely non-expertise when a masseur "massages your arms" when you're lying on your stomach and your hands are flat against the bed. And that's exactly what he did. After 20 minutes, he was hopeful that a goodish time might have passed, but when we checked the time again, and when he realised it was just 20 minutes through, he was confused as to what to do further, more confused about what to do with existence in the span of remainder of time. After kneading my body at random places for the next 5 minutes, he said 'massage ho gaya'. I said it's just 20-25 minutes through, he said, no we started at so-and-so time (which was a blatant lie, since we both checked the time together) and he just sat shamelessly on the window-sill next to the massage bed looking at me and waiting for me to get up. i realised that I also shouldn't waste my time with this nonsense, so i got up, got dressed and stepped out. The noob had the audacity to ask me how I liked the massage!
In case you're still wondering about his looks, he right at home in the salon, as per the aforementioned state of it.
I have had horrible and novice and talentless massage, but this one takes the cake of having a horrible attitude and complete delusion of own skills.

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Rahul_853
Posted On Jan 3, 2021

Koregona park lane 5, north main road.... Awesome massage....Very relaxing place fully satisfied due to ambiance. guy was very experienced.... 10/10 From me.

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Guideme
Posted On Jan 3, 2021

@CrazyCruiser : Well described, but i feel bad for you... but it is same Apple Salon at KP. Not sure if they provide massage or not... May be an option to check...

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santoshpathak22
Posted On Jan 3, 2021

Had first time visit to An*arn**d Kharadi .. This guy Tejas did a massage... It was kinda okish... Not too good not too bad... Happy ending was there... Any body had same exp with him .. ?? And do recommend M2M spas guys... I tried like 20 spas everyone rejected for M2M .. so finally went to An*arn**d...

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Mojo_jojo94
Posted On Jan 4, 2021

I had a massage from UC today. Love how they come with bed, candles, music and a completely good setup. One of the old masseur was assigned. I had experienced his massage techniques before too. No doubt he was very good with the massage like always. He has never done any hanky Panky. But he does few accidental touches and a very good glute massage. Even my hand keeps rubbing on his crotch, he doesn't mind but he never does anything beyond this. 😣
I would like if some day he goes a little ahead.

Post massage I had removed the disposable inner and tied the thin sheet they place on bed. Which was quite transparent and it kept showing him my tool. Stilll no further steps. The massage was amazing though 😌

Also I want to know how is mupra and their charges?

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Blueberrybob
Posted On Jan 5, 2021

I was visited FFS nigdi, tried another massager name was j*gdi*sh.
He has good massage techniques, started msg with leg and I was in heaven, slowly he came on my back here the fun started , I removed disposal, then he just put his tool on my back started massaging with hand as well, I noticed that so I am not that much interested in him at that time then he insist me to pay more for more fun, I accept it then I paid only for happy ending. Overall nice experience

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SR_for_fun
Posted On Jan 10, 2021

A few of my recent experiences:
1. Ha*r Affa*r DP road: There is only one guys there who indulgences in fun (Don't know his name). But he is actually straight who just wants to f**K. Being a top, was not interested. I found the place unhygienic, and would not recommend. charges 650.
2. Arch*n* Parlo*r, Bavdhan : Same level of hygiene. There are two guys, one is top who has a small d**k, so was a turn off for me anyway, and other seems straight. Although he did give a nice massage to b**t, was not interested to do anything beyond. Charges 1000
3. K*m*y Sp* : He has a place in sangvi. He massaged really well. And the fun part was also decent. Although for the money paid, I found the place where he massages to be a complete turn off. Charged 1500
4. Exc*ll*nt Sal**n, Gandhidham : The massage was great including b**t massage. But nothing beyond. The guy seems straight. But defenitly good massage for the price paid. Charges 600.

So overall, not great experiences

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smt
Posted On Jan 15, 2021

I visited Lets Relax spa Vision 9 mall. Massager was Mani. Overall bad experience.Wasted 1500 Rs.
There are other two guys , anybody tried them?

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SundarDeshmukh
Posted On Jan 15, 2021

@smt i had been there. My experience was good.
He rimmed me, had really good time with him. What was your experience with him, can you explain bit more ?

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Funoholic
Posted On Jan 16, 2021

Hey, had visited an ayurvedic clinic at Vishal Nagar, Pimple Nilakh. They had kept a therapist for the evening hours. The therapist is fair, tall and good looking with a strong assets.
He is not gay but if you are good looking, you may seduce him during the session. Who doesnt want lil pleasure after all.
Since i got fun, do not guarantee all of you will get.
Still, DM me for more details.

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Rhugaank
Posted On Jan 18, 2021

What happened to those roadside desi malishwalas, who used to be at swargare abd Shivajinagar station.

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shantanu_pat007
Posted On Jan 19, 2021

Negative review. D*****d (Heera) massage parlour. Leave Heera not even Stone too :-)
1. Ambience : Looks like going to red light area. Very less lights and look like place used to F**K.
2. Massager: Very greedy and aggressive, asks too many personal questions. No special skills only work for fun part. Ask directly for do you want to get ***? If you deny then keep asking different things instead of concentrating on massage. Actually this Massager is available on PR site as well.
So total damage 1200. Without doing nothing massager asked for tip.

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Jibzy
Posted On Jan 22, 2021

Had been to H*I* Aff""r DP road befor pandemic ...it's a shabby and unhygienic place .
Waste of money and time

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Drsanjay1988
Posted On Jan 24, 2021

Sneva spa near Mercedes showroom Baner... Pls don't go... Waste of time... Waste of. Money

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SundarDeshmukh
Posted On Jan 25, 2021

This weekend wnt to lets relax of pimple Saudagar, had really good massage 😈😈😈.

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Inanand
Posted On Jan 28, 2021

Yes viraj, i have tried him (c**v*n) so many times, good massage with hj at the end, somehow i missed his contact number. I did not hear about him after lock down But you can try your luck by sending him a message.
Even i sent him message long back but no reply . Doubt whether he is on this site

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SundarDeshmukh
Posted On Jan 29, 2021

@ashvik03 No chance to have fun . They are strict with their rules.

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SundarDeshmukh
Posted On Jan 31, 2021

Well i had few experience in past few years back
1. Got a guy in uc who allowed me to *** for the first time after begging to him.
Next time he came and was ready to get *** without much tries. After 3 sessions with him i tried another guy
2. 2nd one was bit easier but he asked for 2k for giving him pleasure.
I took it because he had already seduced me till then by giving mr bum massage. I didn’t book him back.
3. 3rd one was bit harder and he didn’t allowed even touch and complained against me. AND MY UC WAS BLOCKED 😡.
Then i started exploring outside in spas or private masseurs online.

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SundarDeshmukh
Posted On Feb 1, 2021

Vforall, there are genuine parlour where you can get good massage.
Having fun & *** is not genuine:).
Its pune not Mumbai. In Mumbai u can find massage parlour with smart hot hunk ..... depending what you need.
Pune still doesn’t have that openness

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vj2448
Posted On Feb 2, 2021

Last week, had massage from Vog... Tre.. Name of the masseur is San.../Vi.... Didnt impress me. Averagely built. Massage was ok. Ofcourse, didnt indulge in fun as I was bit scared because of COVID. However asked him to get completely nude. He has small (ard 6'') but fat ***. Massage 7/10.

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Cool_guy_ankit
Posted On Feb 3, 2021

I had been to Muppra baner couple of days ago after reading too much abt it.

My experience was the same as mentioned by all, it was purely a genuine 4 hands Kerala type abhyangam massage.

Fun part was zero, but yes massage was pure and really good.

They have opened a new center in baner itself where the atmosphere, interior and overall feeling was really good.

Only excitement part u can get here is u r fully nude in front of the. But no fun part from their side.

Try it for genuine massage experience.

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radiaint
Posted On Feb 11, 2021

Again at M**ra ,baner, this time i tried new massage that is called Potali massage, it quite expensive but they use some medicated herbs in cotton pouch which dipped in hot ayurvedic oil then they massage with that pouch its is after normal four hand massage ,u dont believe if anyone who has body pain or ache its make you totally refresh after it. again its pure ayurvedic massage nothing else. in ayurveda its called snehan/swedan.

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coolguy4fun
Posted On Feb 13, 2021

Visited Antarnaad 2days back found one therapist new thearapist from Delhi. He was damn hott. The massage started and ended in few seconds. On saying that the massage never ended so soon he started doing ercotic moves and we ended up in an ercotic fun. Would say poor massage, but damn hott and sexy and open for good fun.
If you are looking for geniune massage dont try him, but if you want fun he is awesome at it.

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Guideme
Posted On Feb 13, 2021

@coolguy4fun : I hope you are not talking about ved? There were two... one was too muscular build guy and the second was ved who looks like a kiddo.. may be in mid twenties... not sure if he is from delhi or not...

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punemale2020
Posted On Feb 14, 2021

@Guideme - he isn't talking about Ved. There is a new guy there. He is ok but don't you guys think paying in thousands to someone who can't even massage and just *** is too much? It's because of this, these guys demand so much money. Just because we can pay, should we pay?

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Ultimate Fun
Posted On Feb 17, 2021

I visited Antarn**d couple if years ago. That time thr was a guy with specs Rish* and another muscular guy with little ***. Not sure of his name.
Are there any new entries now? How many new guys have joined? Who should I go for if I look for fun with a good looking guy?

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vj2448
Posted On Feb 18, 2021

@Sk4sun3 & ashhvik03
Vog... Tren. provides trimming and wax services. You can find contact details on Ju.. D...

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punemale2020
Posted On Feb 24, 2021

@vforall - Posted On Dec 21, 2020 - 05:17 PM

Parv*z from prashant salon Aundh has changed. He didn't massage well, and for handjob and 20 minutes massage I paid 1700 on the top of that, he demanded Rs 1000 extra said 'Aap to ameer he, de sakte he'. I gave him 200 and told him off. He wasn't happy about

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DEEPPUNE *
Posted On Feb 25, 2021

1700+1000 IS A BIG AMOUNT. I GO THERE I PAY SOME 700 AT COUNTER AND 1000 TO THE PERSON. YEAH THE DEMAND HAS KEPT ON INCREASING. SO NOW I GO ONCE IN 3 MONTHS. I USE TO GO EVERY MONTH. ONE RAJESH IS GOOD AND GIVES NICE HAPPY ENDING MASSAGE.

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sunil38686
Posted On Feb 25, 2021

I had been to Ant@rn@@d, Kh@r@di on 15.02.2021, met S@g@r on Grindr and booked at 12 noon (Didn't know he was working in Ant@rn@@d). I reached bit early at 11:40 a.m. and he made me feel comfortable so had a good conversation. He told me to undress but I kept the trunks on. He removed his trousers and started applying oil on me. I had been earlier to many masseurs' but didn't find him attractive. He is 38 (although on Grindr it is 35). He stroked my back with oil and slowly slipped of my trunks. He enjoyed massaging my butts and also applied oil on my b*ttcrack and gave me a good scrub but still I didn't feel the urge of having intimate session with him although he was standing infront of my face and my hands were touching his trunks.

He told me to turn over and saw my flaccid *** and applied oil on my d*ck and balls. He massaged my scrotum which made me feel the urge to have a slight *** and I blasted with *** all over my groin. It was totally disappointing, he handed over some paper tissues and I wiped off all the ***. He further massaged my legs and then guided me to the bathroom. The gyser was already started and I went into the bathroom totally naked. He requested me for applying soap on my back and I allowed him to do so. Had a nice bath and came out in towels and dressed.

I found him very kind in behavoir and payed him his charges of Rs. 1500 and left.

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SundarDeshmukh
Posted On Feb 25, 2021

Very true, i directly ask masseur for fun just 15 min before end.
If he ask for extra i say max 200. Else no to fun.
And just i ask for bum massage deeper and nipple massage in last minute. If he gets in mood we jerk else i do it by my own during bath.
After being cheated by many Yaar itne mature to ho chuke hai ki ek 8 inch ka khada *** bhi ignore kar sakte hai 😂

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Ultimate Fun
Posted On Feb 25, 2021

Agree with @sunil38686. Have met S@g@r and Ri@sh* at Antarn**d couple of years back. Both were polite and professional.
Sag** is muscular and involved in fun through his strokes to my inner thighs and near hole from starting itself. He was in late 30s but in shape. Those who need a well endowed masseur may want to excuse him :) ( no intention to defame, just shared as per my experience)
Ri*sh* is avg looking and very professional. He too gets involved in fun and provides services like trimming pubes etc.

Since this place is near to me, I want to know more about the new masseurs who provide services there. Their fun element, massage skills etc.

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windriders
Posted On Feb 28, 2021

Hi All,

I have been following this thread for a long time. Its quite informative. After reading your comments, I visited crystal spa, bijali nagar chinchwad on 25th feb at around 8:30 PM. There was a lady and a male massager there. The lady left after some time and I and the massager were the only people in the spa. He gave me a booklet which mentioned various massages and prices and went inside to make the masssage room ready.
The massage room is small but has a attached shower facility. The room was not well lit but was clean and hygenic.
The massager is a dark average built guy with a short height. He came in while i was undressing and there was no disposable underwear offered. That was fine with me as I was deliberately wearing a thong as I had gone to the parlor with a mindset of having fun.
He asked me what kind of massage I wanted and suggested Abhyangam massage. I asked him what is the difference and the charge. He said it is more connected massage and the price is 1800. I went in for it.
(If anybody wants to have fun ask for abhyangam massage there. Thts the first hint)
HE started wtih my legs and back. the massage pressure and technique was satisfactory, not as good as MUpra ayurvedic massage.
While massaging my back he started rubbing his tool on my palm and I caressed it. Then he moved to the top of the table and told me to shift closer to him. His jeans zip was at level to my ***. While massaging my back he moved down to my bum and masaged my crack. At that time his jeans zip was touching my lips and i started kissing his tool.
He then took his tool out and I immediately started ***. His tool size is small (4-5 inches) but its clean. No urine smell or deposits. We had fun for 15 minutes and then he completed the massage.

A point to mention here. He did not touch my tool even once, but he did finger me and squeezed my bum cheeks. If you are a bottom you will have a nice time there

When I dressed and came out I told him that the massage was good and I will book a 1.5 Hr session next time if you give me concession now. He said you can give whatever you feel like paying. So I paid him 1500.


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sunil38686
Posted On Mar 1, 2021

I had booked this guy from L*c@n*t*, ID - R@h*l*8 on 7.2.21 by paying Rs. 500 for massage on 14.2.21 at Hadapsar.
On 14.2.21 at 8:36 p.m. he asked me for another Rs. 500 for providing address but on paying him he did not respond even after 15 calls, he kept on rejecting.
Don't book this guy as he is fake.

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Cool_guy_ankit
Posted On Mar 11, 2021

My recent experiences - will not write word to word detailed experience.
Just relax spa, pimple saudagar - north east decent therapist. Massage was good and fun part was also good.

Joy wellness spa wakad - hopeless place, Google can not find them, while going I can see another name Enjoy spa....was felt suffocation and awkword due to the atmosphere, was not comfortable at all, called male masseur from outside, they asked me to pay first, I was not sure, that time only masseur arrived and o was shocked, total unhygienic and weired type of guy. So I just excused myself and ran away from the place.

Treme zone men's parlour wakad - I went there for beared freaking, he is the only staff now a days, when I went no other customers were there. We just completed beared thing normally, no hanky panky, guy was good and found him attractive, so after beared I asked him for body massage. He said yes and we went upstairs. Place is ok, massage was good, he was pure top he will not even touch ur bums or go near, not even touching massaging ur tool, way far from it. Massage was good, if u r bottom then he can take his *** out, u can *** and even get ***. But he won't do anything else or touch u sensationally.


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Jay_master
Posted On Apr 4, 2021

My experience is
Tried sn*Va baner Mahalunge. No privacy at all. No fun. Massage is not good

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penep29
Posted On Apr 4, 2021

My experien e at crystal.spa is not good. Iasked him for ayurveda massage 1000 . He started and went on for bum massage and played . Ofcourse i alao gave him indication about same . He fingered me . Overall it was ok.
But after finishing massage he asked1800 . He said for pvt parts, its 1800. Which he shud have told earlier. I had an argument fi ally paod him 1500.
Place is ok. Not so great. Guy is not very attractive . Be clear in charges before starting massage

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Cool_guy_ankit
Posted On Apr 5, 2021

Just relax spa is at vision 9 mall, Kunal icon road, pimple saudagar.

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MikeTyson
Posted On May 1, 2021

Pune was among the last Indian cities I visited and stayed for a decent time.

urbanclap/ company recently opened at that time told me they wouldnt send therapists to hotel rooms.

but these are some of the other experiences - all at premium places

I had to catch an early morning flight and be at the airport by 2 am so I thought I will see a late night movie at the malls but I still had an hour to kill so I visited one of the hair salons for a foot massage. There was no dedicated masseur but one of the enterprising guys who did hair (he had a weird mohawkish hairdo) tells me the cost is the same why dont you do a full body massage for a little longer, and I told him I need it within an hour and he agrees.

I wasnt ready for what happened later because this boy really seemed to be into it and asked me to strip completely. The only hitch was there was a full length mirror covering the entire wall and you could see yourself and the rest of the room kind of like the one side mirror you see in police interview rooms) but I wanted to go for it, so the guy switches off the lights and keeps one tiny light on.

We did a few things and I somehow think he had more fun than I did as it looked like there were not many male customers they received. He also joined me in the shower which was a tight space especially for two guys with large hard ons.

I hope the many lockdowns have not affected this part of the business and hope to revisit this place again

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MikeTyson
Posted On May 1, 2021

Another place in Pune was near Pashaan-baner area. I was at the IT park and wanted to avoid meeting my business partners as much as possible in leisure times.

the premium hotels surprisingly had all female masseurs for male (India's certainly changing!) so I kind of gave up - this is before my above experience.

I visited a haircut salon in the Baner area and this was a premium area. The guy cutting my hair was middle aged spoke good English and knew what customers wanted and spoke to everyone familiarly. This was around 8 pm on a weekday and the other customers disappeared. Surprisingly he didnt allow the other boys to do my hair - they only did the shampoo.

So the owner does my hair and does a good job and he keeps pressing himself against my arms and I can feel his bulge and its a good bulge, and as we are coming to the end. He looks me and looks me in the eye asking do you want anything more, and I dont know what to say. We also do hair colors, head massage and... body massage. And I ask him where because I cant see any private places and he laughs and tells me this is also a spa and there are rooms upstairs. So I agree and after a shampoo I am taken upstairs to change.

It feels very uncomfortbale for the fact that it has about four rooms all of them with glass doors and only a large strip of painted floral design in the middle and anyone who is really tall or drops something can watch in, plus I am a little vary of cameras.

It takes me sometime to wait and I have a quick shower. The owner walks in and he's too changed and in shorts now. I tell him about my concern and he switches off the lights with only the shower cubicle light to guide him. He does the warm up doesnt mind and straight gets to the point "Would you like a happy ending sir?" and I say I am okay anywhich way.

What I am surprised with is he does a good job on both the back and the front and completes the timelength and then climbs on the table and proceeds to do what I had seen as Urut Batin in the South East Asia and does a masterful job of it, and I plead with him if I can touch him. He gets naked and we have a good time on and off the table.

Later as I leave the staff have all left and the lights in the main room has been switched off and I realise there's another owner the lady at the cash counter I had seen. She asks me how the massage went and I compliment the massage, and I realise its a husband-wife couple who run the salon. (and that gave me a guilt trip so I avoided visiting this place again during my stay though the guy kept asking me if I wanted a massage like nearly every weekend)

Now that the Pandemic is raging and we are short of choice I really wouldnt mind doing it with a married man agian, and many many times!!!

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